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Why we may not have Equality for some time.

Submitted: 2003-05-18 11:31:32.000 (post #: 213)

There are so many things I could site to explain my topic. Part of the problem is that many politicians want to place their fundamental religious beliefs higher than the constitution. They view gays as a threat to those beliefs and some of them do not want to change. Of course these are the same ones that have a problem with other religions as well,namely Wicca. They stick to their interpretation of the bible and they do not think that the creator loves all of the people on the earth. I hope that some day they do accept gays in the military,but they might have to make a separate unit for them. The reason is that even the most openminded heterosexual might feel afraid that they would be stared at while alone with a gay or lesbian individual. Most likely it wouldn't be true but we need to make sure everyone is comfortable. Maybe if there was a separate unit and they were able to show everyone what they could do then people like us could be integrated into the main military. It worked for the African Americans. It could work for us. It would give us a chance to prove ourselves to the military and the lawmakers that we are people who love our country and would serve with honor. We need them to understand that we are just like them except that we love differently. They seem to think that a lesbian will be attracted to every female in their vicinity. Does a heterosexal woman fall for every man she sees,no. She does not and she sure wouldn't act upon desire without the consent of the other party. Why do they feel lesbians would. Any insights?
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Re: Why we may not have Equality for some time.
Grethe
Submitted: 2003-07-01 09:20:12.000 (post #: 222)

We create equality by expecting it. Our children are not waiting for some old fuddy duddies to decide if we can exist side by side with them. Our kids are getting beaten, harrassed, killed because they believe being themselves is an entitlement. We, their older generation better get at it and be out there and outspoken because it is our generation which creates the bias, and teaches the hatred that is hurting us all. I think the idea of segregating military units by sexual orientation would be a disaster. First it would further feed into the bigotry which exists. Just because someone is uncomfortable with another's orientation does not mean that person should not exist. Buck up, get used to it, we exist in all aspects of life. Me being gay has nothing to do with you - it may have to do with increasing your homophobia and you having to deal with that, but then again that is your problem. Most of us know that once someone knows another is gay, there is just an understanding and it becomes less of a problem as time goes on. Thank goodness this upcoming generation is much less frightened than the past generations. All that needs to happen for the military is to Change the Law, enforce non-discrimination, teach and demand mutual respect for all. Leadership is about expecting everyone to behave and demanding that their behavior corresponds with that. The military has undergone changes in the past and MUST in the future or they will continue to lose even more extraordinarily dedicated gay servicemembers.
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Re: Why we may not have Equality for some time.

Submitted: 2004-07-14 12:30:43.000 (post #: 251)

I know this reply is a year late, but I have seen the movie just this year and wanted to know more about Colonel Cammermeyer's story. I was amazed and excited that she had a site where people could discuss the issue at hand. Now, getting to my response. The above paragraph stated, "...if there was a separate unit and they were able to show everyone what they could do then people like us could be integrated..." Then it goes on to say, "It worked for African Americans, it could work for us." I'm not trying to begin a lesson in Black History; this would not be the site. However, my comment is this. Blacks were not placed into segregated units of the military to demonstrate to everyone what they could do. Blacks were placed in separate units due largely to Jim Crow, and hatred for the color of our skin. I'm not saying that your comment about people being uncomfortable around gays and lesbians isn't true, because I have seen it for myself. However, being gay isn't something one can normally "see" as opposed to recognizing a person for their race. Therfore,it would be rather difficult singling out gays as a group because someone might have thought that they "looked" gay. I just wanted to express my view on that comment and to also say that WHATEVER group an individual is in or part of, separation is wrong on all accounts. People need to learn not to be tolerant, because that implies "to put up with", but accepting and understanding of diversity. Bigotry is really boring to me; always has been and always will be. Lets find another hobby!!
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Re: Re: Why we may not have Equality for some time.
Grethe
Submitted: 2004-07-14 14:19:12.000 (post #: 252)

If you think we should have segregated gay unit I think that would be a huge mistake. First off, gays and lesbians are serving side by side with American troops every day so just by coming out it would be clear that those troops can do their job. Secondly, to segregate by sexual identity would further isolate those individuals and then make them target of the unstable, ill informed bigots in the military and setting them up for attack. Thirdly, there is no justification for pandering to the perpetuated prejudice of the law created by congress. If you are good enough to serve and die for the country then you should be able to do so with dignity and pride.
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Why we may not have Equality for some time
tmlowe
Submitted: 2005-10-11 05:42:45.000 (post #: 323)

I am appreciative that some of you have taken the time to think about this equality issue. However, I must support Grethe wholeheartedly in her previous statement. Although I am not of military standing, nor have I ever been; it is my belief that segregated gay units will foster prejudices; and these prejudices will only invoke the ill informed in their condemnation of the gay. As gay folk, we cannot segregate ourselves or be segregate by our peers. If we wish to call for the equal vote, we must espouse the equal standing that is rightfully ours. We must stand beside our country folk, our colleagues, our neighbors and our brothers and sisters, and stand tall in justness and in pride.
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